Hey Andy,
I'd argue for using the "end of standard support" dates for Ubuntu. I
suspect that's the generally well known "EOL" date (5 years from release of
the LTS) that most folk will know. It's certainly the date that I try to
stick to with upgrades and such.
Cheers,
James
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, 4:47 pm Andy Smith, <andy@???> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On:
>
> https://bitfolk.com/techspec.html#toc_2_Available_Linux_distributions
>
> I am listing Ubuntu EOL dates as found at:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
>
> However, it seems that the EOL dates from the Ubuntu wiki refer to
> Extended Security Maintenance:
>
> https://ubuntu.com/security/esm
>
> If I understand things correctly, this:
>
> - covers only a small subset of the archive
> - requires an Ubuntu Advantage account
> - entitlement to ESM updates is only available for free for
> personal use on up to 3 machines
>
> So, for example, the recent "sudo" security issue is not available
> for 14.04 LTS users unless they meet the above requirements.
>
> If I have misunderstood things can someone correct me?
>
> If not, I don't think it is particularly clear of us to list those
> EOL dates on BitFolk's page and instead we should list the "End of
> Standard Support" ones.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> And if we do list "End of Standard Support" dates, should that be
> matched with "end of stable support" dates for Debian? The situation
> for Debian is not straightforward either:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Production_Releases
>
> While LTS and ELTS are available free to everyone (BitFolk is one of
> monetary sponsors that makes that possible), they do only cover a
> subset of what was in Debian stable.
>
> A summary of what each thing means for Debian is something like:
>
> Stable Security:
>
> - Supported until release end of life
> - Package maintainers and security team are supposed to provide
> security fixes for every package in the stable release
> - buster EOL: some time in 2022
>
> Long Term Support:
>
> - Dedicated team of paid developers provide security fixes on a
> best effort basis; sometimes package maintainers help.
> - Known to only cover a subset of the archive; most important
> packages do get updates.
> - buster LTS EOL: likely some time in 2024
>
> Extended LTS:
>
> - Even smaller team of paid developers provide security fixes
> - buster ELTS EOL: likely some time in 2026
>
> Which is these things is fair to call a supported Debian release?
> Really I'd just like to keep some consistency.
>
> (Personal controversial interjection: I'm no CentOS fan but this is
> exactly what people will miss about CentOS. It was a straightforward
> 10 year support commitment. Which was a massive commitment. It
> wasn't always timely, but you knew that RHEL would get an update and
> then CentOS would. For 10 years. That has value.)
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
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