Re: [bitfolk] The forthcoming Debian 10.0 (buster) release

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Author: Keith Williams
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To: BitFolk Users
Subject: Re: [bitfolk] The forthcoming Debian 10.0 (buster) release
*"I have to say I've always just seen Webmin as something that youhave to
learn how to use and manage and hand-hold through everyupgrade when you
could just be learning how to do it the standardway, or with config
management, either of which would be a betterinvestment of time."*
True to a large extent. But as with any tool its usefulness depends upon
the situation within which it is used.
Back in "The olden days" when I used iptables for the firewall for example.
Using the commandline to check and adjust the rules and how they worked
would involve a lot of time and fiddling with for example iptables -Lv then
delete a rule and then reinsert it with a series of types commands and so
on. With webmin a click to the iptables page, a rapid and accurate skim
through the table and click on the up and down links to rearrange order.
Nowadays, of course, it is even easier checking and amending the firewall,
just typing nano /etc/nftables.conf brings up the whole set of tables ipv4
and ipv6 laid out schematically and easily editted.
That's just one example. For many tasks it is a bit of a pain getting it to
do the things in the way that I want and anything to do with net interfaces
or routes it is damn near impossible and the command line tools quick and
easy to use. And again to use it effectively you do need to have an
understanding of what is happening and how to do the things manually. You
need to have an understanding of what is happening under the bonnet,
obviously
You use it in situations and for tasks where it is more efficient to do it
that way.
Having the repository in sourcelists.d Means that updating involves typing
apt update followed by apt upgrade.

;-) Keith

On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 at 00:10, Andy Smith <andy@???> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 01:55:46PM +0100, Keith Williams wrote:
> > Webmin. I use this as a graphical interface when working with big
> databases
> > or updating and cleaning up all my zonefiles. It's just easier. Handy for
> > editing Apache virtual host files. I was able to install it and start it
> > then the connection drops to the miniserv server. I think it is related
> to
> > an upgrading of the perl libraries in the upgrade. Did not have the same
> > with my home boxes a couple of weeks ago. That is non urgent though.
>
> I have to say I've always just seen Webmin as something that you
> have to learn how to use and manage and hand-hold through every
> upgrade when you could just be learning how to do it the standard
> way, or with config management, either of which would be a better
> investment of time.
>
> In my humble opinion! 😀
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
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